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October 21, 2009

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Some good points in there, especially the one about traffic (I think a lot of PRs are too scared to ask in all honesty). I did some tips for PRs dealing with bloggers and also for bloggers dealing with PRs at the following:

http://www.contently-managed.com/2009/08/30/15-tips-for-prs-dealing-with-bloggers/

http://www.contently-managed.com/2009/08/30/15-tips-for-bloggers-dealing-with-prs/

Oh I would love to be a fly on the wall at your training course Sally, you tell 'em like it is.

Where do these random pitches come from? Yesterday I got two about Christmas cheese. I do not write about food, so wasn't sure if this is an oblique comment on my cheesy jokes.

Have also written about PRs & bloggers here: http://joannemallon.typepad.com/joanne_the_coach/2009/10/the-mummy-bloggers-the-prs-and-working-for-chips.html It's quite fascinating how all this is developing, from both sides.

You mean when they tell me they've just read my latest post and loved it that they're LYING?

(Does anyone do that kind of thing...?)

I've got to be honest - I'm not sure how the new FTC regulations have any effect on review blogs unless the blogger always gives a favourable review to a freebie. And anyone wanting to build a repuatable blog will surely review realistically, regardless of whether they got it free or not. I don't expect the Guardian review to say "BTW, Random House sent us a review copy of this book for free", so why be alarmed over accepting review items?

And do the FTC regulations even apply to sites published by UK bloggers?

@Craig - scared? Of me? Pah. I don't believe it. Thanks for sharing the link, too.

@Joanne - I do indeed. WTF is Christmas cheese? Mind. Boggles.

@Tim - They do lie. But never to you. I'm sure they have ALL just read your latest post and loved it.

@Mags - in reality the FTC regs won't even affect US bloggers much less UK bloggers. But there's a lot of fear and confusion, and bloggers are genuinely worried, which just further complicates the PR/blogger relationship - to some extent, there's an opportunity for PRs to know the rules and HELP bloggers understand the rules and the role of reviews/freebies.

I agree that most PRs are probably too afraid or embarrassed to ask since they probably wouldn't Ask a journalist how many readers read their sites or mags.
As a PR we are told by journalists to read the publications so I guess some of the people who are targetting you are doing the same, but maybe they could start with a slightly different approach.
Good luck with the course.

I get precisely the same experience with PR companies in the UK. Having been a freelance writer for some very well-known magazines (Wired etc.) I know the difference between good PR and 'throw some mud at the wall and hope some sticks.'

For some reason, although I blog about writing, marketing and aviation, I get a lot of pitches about baby and children's products. This leads me to believe that PRs generally don't even look at the blogs they pitch.

The traffic one is interesting...

I educate clients that traffic on a blog is not always what they need to be paying attention to. We look at a number of things: comments, inbound links, page rank, Twitter followers, etc., and base our evaluation of a campaign or piece of coverage on what the original objectives of the client were. A lot of the time it's traffic to a website (which would be influenced by huge traffic), but sometimes it's sentiment or even just general online awareness/breadth of coverage.

In online PR, I'm more interested in what those numbers mean, rather than how many of them there are. And when PRs are talking to mums about products, it's about word of mouth, relationships, and the positive endorsements that may influence purchasing decisions. Quality over quantity.

(And as a side note: with the ridiculously over-inflated numbers of unique users that clients are used to seeing, *real* blog traffic numbers would scare them.)

I'm curious though: How did you react to having a PR ask you your traffic?

When I used to work in the States, a lot of mommy bloggers told me they were always worried about publicising their traffic numbers because they were afraid PRs wouldn't think they were worth it.

I run two blogs that receive a fair amount of pitches from PRs (oh, how I love being on both sides), and have never been asked about traffic numbers on either of them. I'm not sure how I would feel about it if I was though. I reckon it's like asking a girl how much she weighs.

Hi Melanie

You might be interested in this post from last month, about how PRs should (in my view) start to evaluate blogs:
http://gettingink.typepad.com/getting_ink/2009/09/how-to-do-due-diligence-on-blogs-and-why-some-prs-are-stupid-.html

Yes, I totally agree traffic is just one metric and given the nature of traffic figures, it's often a number best treated with extreme caution!

But actually I welcome the PRs who ask me about traffic and audience on blogs - it shows me they're taking their client and my blog seriously, that they care about the outcome.

I expect them to be savvy enough to know that 1,500 very targeted readers of a trusted, active, well discussed blog are at least as important to their client as 10,000 generic readers on a bigger publication.

I've had occasions where I've told PR agencies the traffic stats on a blog (hello Porter Novelli!) and been told in no uncertain terms that I'm not popular enough for a particular client, but I'm not overly fussed by that - I've worked in media long enough to know there's a pecking order in any media, and you start at the bottom and hopefully you work your way up. I also just comfort myself that one day they'll really want to be on hte blog and I'll tell them that unfortunately I have limited resources and unfortunately need to prioritise them carefully and can't help on this occasion ;-)

Wow, I can't believe they told you you're not popular enough! That's insane to me. Must have a word with @timhoang ;-)

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